In Episode 112 I sit down with Harvard-educatedPsychologist and best selling author Melanie Joy to discuss how we form our beliefs about food and how vegans can have healthier, more productive, conversations with non-vegans. An episode that I believe will be highly instructive regardless of the diet that you follow.
In this episode we cover:
Melanie’s personal journey to studying Psychology at Harvard and writing her award winning book “Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows: An Introduction to Carnism”
Why our food choices matter
The carnism ideaology
Carnistic defense systems and the three N’s: ‘Normal, Natural and Necessary
Effective vegan advocacy: how to communicate better as a vegan
Shame vs guilt
The idea of thinking about process vs content when communicating with someone who holds a different opinion to you
Why the debate format sets us up to fail
How you can be a part of the solution
What a ‘vegan ally’ is
The idea of watering the right seeds
and much more
While my episodes usually focus on nutrition science I found this exchange fascinating and believe many of the learnings hold true for our communication in general, whether that be related to food choices and the exploitation of animals or not. My plan is to extend this into a 3-4 part series, with Melanie to return and another high profile vegan activist in the coming months so we can continue exploring this topic together.
Related episodes: I have done three episodes with animal activists to better understand the way they see the world and why they are so passionate about sharing their message. These are episodes with James Aspey, James Aspey and Carly Taylor, and Seb Alex.
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Simon is a qualified health professional having completed a Bachelor of Physiotherapy with Honours in 2008, Plant Based Nutrition with Cornell University and a Masters in Nutrition. He is the host of the Plant Proof podcast, a leading health and wellness show that focusses on breaking down the science on nutrition for human and planetary health, and is also writing his first book which will be published by Penguin Random House early 2021. If you're looking for agenda-free evidence based information to help you make sense of the conflicting nutrition information that exists today, you're in good hands.